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tonight, a 9-year-old missouri girl plays with a little friend, walks home, still daylight, only 1,000 feet. she never makes it home. vanishing into thin air. the search for 9-year-old elizabeth olten comes to an end. her body found in a wooded area, just houses from her own home. cops finally close in on a murder suspect. no, not one of the dozens of registered sex offenders in the area. not a va gant or escapee or parolee. the suspect is a 15-year-old girl.
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breaking news. 15-year-old teen girl suspect accused of brutally stabbing and strangling 9-year-old elizabeth olten pled not guilty to all charges. alyssa bustamente was in court for a hearing in her upcoming murder trial. >> alyssa bustamente will enter pleas of not guilty. >> bust meant entered the courtroom in shackles, holding her head down. the courtroom was filled with spectators. some wearing t-shirts in memory of the murder victim, elizabeth olten. >> we are learning there is evidence that she lured the little girl, a little 9-year-old girl, into the woods. that she had dug a shallow grave several days before in anticipation of murdering this little girl. >> police allege bust meant told them she dug two graves five days before the murder. and allegedly told cops she wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. >> on her birthday, i was at her party and she took me off to the
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side randomly, and she's like, you know, i wonder what it would be like to kill somebody. >> the child was strangled, stabbed and then her killer slashed her throat. >> bustamente has been certified as an adult and could face life in prison if convicted on all counts. >> straight out to lad egan, news director, anchor at krcg, in court today. thank you for being with us. why was the 15-year-old murder suspect in court? >> she was in court today, nancy, for an arraignment. now, on the day back in november when she was certified to stand trial as an adult, she did not have a public defender. her public defender in the juvenile court couldn't come with her to the adult court system. today she was arraigned and she entered a plea of not guilty. however, she did not speak. they waived the former arraignment and entered pleas of not guilty on both the charge of first-degree murder and the charge of armed criminal action. now, she didn't talk in court at all.
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she kept her head down and had her hair covering her face a lot of the time. interesting also in court today, there were family members of elizabeth olten, that's the 9-year-old who was murdered. they wore pink to support elizabeth. but on alyssa's side, not even her grandmother showed up to support her today. who is her legal guardian. >> i want to ask you another question about what happened in court today, lad egan. it's my understanding that the defense has asked the judge to take her to a psyche unit to put her in the mental ward, the sick bay, because of an alleged suicide attempt and that suicide attempt would be she tried to scratch herself with her own fingernails. that's the suicide attempt? >> yes. that was soon after she was arrested back in october. the jail said that she was using her fingernails to scratch up
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her arms so bad that she was bleeding. at that point they did take her to a psychiatric hospital in st. louis for a period of time. >> but how does that rise to a suicide attempt? i'm going to throw it to you, rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story. how can scratching yourself with your nails be a suicide attempt? it is obviously a way to get in sick bay, which is notoriously better treatment, better facilities, better food. you get your own cell. you get privacy. you're treated with kid gloves because she scratched herself with her fingernails. this after she murdered a 9-year-old girl with three causes of death. strangulation, stabbing and slicing her throat, and they're worried the girl is scratching herself with her fingernails, rupa? >> nancy, we did learn last month in a certification history she does have a history of mental illness. she did try to commit suicide in 2007. she was treated for depression.
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she'd been in therapy and she was on prozack so there is evidence to suggest she does have a history of suicide. >> out to the lines. carolyn in kentucky. hi, carolyn. >> caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. i've tried to get through for quite a while. >> thank you for calling in, carolyn. >> caller: i appreciate the work you do. i always follow these cases and sometimes i actually cry over them. >> me, too. >> caller: this young girl, have they already completed her psychiatric evaluation? or are they in the process of doing that? i'm not clear of that. >> what about it, lad egan? what can you tell us? >> in the juvenile court system, before they were saying that she was going to stand trial as adult, there were a lot of psychiatric evaluations that went on. it came out in the certification hearing that since she tried to commit suicide back in 2007, that she was undergoing intense, almost daily treatment for wanting to hurt herself. and the court said, the juvenile authorities said she never talked about hurting other
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people. it was always about hurting herself. however, since then, one of her friends has come forward saying that earlier this year at party, alyssa bustamente pulled her aside and told the friend, i wonder what it would be like to kill somebody. so from what friends are saying, she did talk about hurting others. >> we are taking your calls live. i want to go back to rupa mikkilineni. rupa, is it true that the only motivation we have thus far for this 15-year-old girl to cold bloodedly murder a 9-year-old little playmate of her little sister was to see what it felt like, to see what it felt like to kill somebody? >> that is what she told investigators when she was interviewed after they found elizabeth olten's body, nancy. she told an investigator that she admitted to digging two graves and told investigators she wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. >> unleash the lawyers. sue moss, renee rockwell, mickey sherman.
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there you go, renee. what are you going to do with that if that's your client? >> was she advised of her rights, was she with a guardian? >> you don't need to scream that any louder. of course they don't want that in. >> but nancy, here's the problem. as well as an attorney could do to keep that out, you're not going to keep out a statement she gave to her little girlfriend at a party where she said the exact same thing. >> go ahead, mickey, give it your best try. >> she's clearly psychotic, but no one is going to care about that. because the crime she committed was so despicable. i brings back the memories of the thrill killers in the 1930s killing the neighbor just to watch him die. problem is, this girl is crazy. she's on prozac. she wasn't on st. joseph's aspirin. >> hold on, hold on. sue moss, take a look at this video. liz, can you pull up the video of her on youtube? she's not crazy. she may be depressed. she may be suicidal. but that under the law isn't crazy. here she is with the wherewithal
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to film herself shocking herself and her little brothers on an electric fence. for fun. all right? the other pictures we were showing of her is her with fake blood coming out of her mouth and the black makeup like a clown around her eyes. her fingers pointed to her own head as if she's going to kill herself. why, sue moss, when people threaten suicide, do they end up killing people in their family and their neighbors? why? >> oh, because this woman is evil. she's not trying to kill herself. she knows how to kill somebody. she knows how to stab. she knows how to strangle. she knows how to slit somebody's throat. she knows how to do the deed if she really wanted to do it. it didn't take her too long to kill that 9-year-old. >> you just reminded me of something. she told cops that she dug two graves five days before she lured a 9-year-old little girl to her death. that is premeditation.
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>> there was going to be another. thank god they found her. >> one specific time -- it was on her birthday. i was at her party and she took me off to the side randomly and she's like, i wonder what it would be like to kill somebody. because i guess she was mad at one of her friends there. but it just seemed kind of strange but you wouldn't logically think one of your friends would kill somebody, you know?
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the sheriff said that they received a handwritten note, and he wouldn't elaborate if someone brought it to them or found it, but he said that note lead them to find that juvenile and it was
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that juvenile who lead them to the body in the woods. they even said they went over this area twice and didn't come across the body until this juvenile lead them to the body. >> we had been through that area actually more than once. the body was very well concealed. >> apparently elizabeth knew this person. >> she's just a baby. she does not deserve this. her family does not deserve this. >> we're not going to be able to say a great deal on it, other than to tell you that the person that led us to this is also a juvenile. >> that's right. the suspect behind bars tonight is not a parolee or an escapee or one of the dozens of registered sex offenders that live in the area. it's a 15-year-old girl. we are taking your calls live but right now i want to go to a very special guest joining us. vickie olten, this is little elizabeth's aunt. she's joining us from russellville, missouri.
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ms. olten, i thought i knew everything about being a crime victim when my fiance was murdered before our wedding, but i cannot imagine losing john david or lucy. how are the parents -- how are her parents tonight? >> they're a wreck. i haven't heard from her dad today so i can't imagine how he's doing right now. but i know her mom's a wreck. >> you know, just hearing the facts, ms. olten, i can only take it in. she only had about 1,000 feet walk. 1,000 feet to get home from her friend's house. and just the shock of a 15-year-old neighbor girl being the suspect. i know the family is stunned.
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>> it just -- it's so unreal. >> when did you first discover that elizabeth was missing? >> her oldest sister called me about 7:00 and told me they couldn't find her. and that they were out looking for her. she was headed to her mother's house, and then they went up to the other house where she was supposed to be playing. and they said she wasn't there. >> so she started walking home at 6:15. at 7:00, the parents were already on the phone with the police. the parents did everything right. they knew where she was. she was right there in the neighborhood. just a few houses down. that's why i was so dumbfounded when i found out the little girl's body was right there. i don't understand how police didn't find it. now, they keep telling me the
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child was -- the body was so well concealed. how could a 15-year-old girl trick searchers, police, canine dogs? how did she hide elizabeth? >> i would like to know that myself. >> oh! tell me about elizabeth. in these photos, her personality just beams out of the photos. >> well, when you see that morning sun pop over the mountain, that's what she was. she was sunshine. and you can't help but love her. i mean, she was ornery. she was picking on her brother here in this picture that's showing now. here at my house. and it was funny. you just had to be here. >> with me is elizabeth's aunt, vicki olten. we are taking your calls. her parents have received the
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news, as you are, that a suspect is in custody. it's a 15-year-old neighbor girl. a 15-year-old girl charged with premeditated murder one. to mike brooks, former fed with the fbi. what do you make of it, mike? >> well, nancy, you know, they're saying it was very well concealed. this is an extremely rural, very wooded area. now, you know, they said they went through there with dogs. again, keep in mind, nancy, dogs are only a tool. they said when -- the first time they went through, it was raining. usually rain is pretty good because the air is more dense. but there again, this 15-year-old planned this out, she could have concealed this body. >> to marc clast, president of association, i just don't know
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how cadaver dogs and blood hounds could have missed this. but with also know now that the body was not far away from her cell phone. the little girl even had a cell phone. marc klaas, she was doing -- the mommy made sure she did everything right. she had a cell phone. she's only a few houses away, 1,000 feet for pete's sake. >> yeah, this is a brutal, brutal situation. but before i get into that too much, i would like to offer my condolence to her family. this is just a terrible experience they're going through. nancy, given -- >> you know what, marc? just pause. >> sure. >> you're right. everybody else is hashing this through, talking about the facts and the evidence and it's easy to forget that right now there is a family that is devastated. their hearts are broken. they can't even take in that their daughter is gone. their little girl is gone. it's over. >> absolutely. >> all your hopes, all your dreams, all your love, it's over. and behind bars is a 15-year-old girl. >> given time and circumstance, a killer will do everything possible to cover up their
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crime. and that includes disposing of the body. remember, caylee anthony was only a few hundred yards from her home, and it took many months to find her. remember, the little girl, summer thompson, her killer tried to dispose of her by dumping her in a landfill. so i think we have to give a little bit of credit to the authorities, not for the amber alert they didn't issue when they should have, but for being diligent and ultimately finding the little girl's body. >> dr. bethany marshal, author of "deal breakers" joining us out of the new york studio. bethany, weigh in. >> nancy, the fact that she wrote in a diary and possibly told another friend, speaks volumes. what it tells me is that there was a fondness for aggression. whenever teens plan to commit violence, and they want to do it and they're fixated on it, they write about it.
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we saw this with the columbine killers. we saw this with casey anthony. so in this case, it's violence for the sake of violence. there's a preoccupation of wrecking vengeance and rendering the victims into a very helpless state. so in this case, it's violence for the sake of violence. it's not to cover up another crime like child molestation or not to kill a child because they took your possession like a pair of sneak eers or something like that. it's usually with parental brutality and carrying that out on a helpless victim. >> this is what else i can deduce. i don't know this yet, but we know that the child was last seen alive at the home of a little playmate. okay? we know that police honed in on a home in that neighborhood and seized evidence. so one plus one equals two and that's telling me, mike brooks,
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that that is the home where the alleged killer lived and that is somehow related to the playmate where the girl was playing that day. i'm just putting -- i'm cobbling together fact that is are out there. to me it makes sense. >> it makes perfect sense, nancy. if you look at the map we were showing a little while ago, it shows where the body was found. it shows her house and it shows the house that -- where she was there with the little girl.
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tmz reports the home searched shortly after the body was found is the same home the suspect lives in. we learned from neighbors that the home searched is also the home of elizabeth's friend she was last seen playing with. >> with me is a very special guest. joining us from st. martin's, missouri, peggy florence. this is the olten family spokesperson. ms. florence, thank you for being with us. ms. florence, please tell me how the olten family is doing tonight. >> well, the family is doing as well as can be expected. the family is a very strong and
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loving family, and they're pulling upon each other and supporting each other in this terrible time. >> ms. florence, according to all of our sources, this is an extremely safe neighborhood. that the mom did everything right. she knew where her daughter was. just down the street with a playmate. it was about 1,000 feet away. it was daylight. she had a cell phone for elizabeth to stay in touch with her all the time. >> yes. it was a very safe neighborhood. and she did everything right. she was a very loving and concerned mother. >> peggy florence, the family, the olten family knows this 15-year-old girl. is that correct? >> the children played together,
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yes. >> you know, ms. florence, we read about statistics, about homicide statistics all the time. i study them. i pore over them to determine patterns and assessing methods of homicide. but i want to talk about elizabeth and what kind of a girl -- >> thank you. >> -- she was. >> thank you. that's what the family -- >> she's not just a statistic. this is a beautiful, vivacious little 9-year-old with her whole life ahead of her. tell me about her. >> i've been with the family since this started, and they have shared so many wonderful things with me about elizabeth. her smile, she always was happy. she loved her little nieces and nephews. what she aspired to be when she
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grew up, she was a little girl. she wanted to be mother. she wanted to love others and take care of others. but she was -- she was -- she was just a lovely child. she was -- she never met an animal she didn't love, and she didn't dress up and play with. she dressed in fancily little dresses and would go run in the snow and play in the mud. but she was just a beautiful little girly-girl, nancy. that had everyone's heart.
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9-year-old elizabeth olten was brutally murdered walking floem a playmate just feet from her house. the alleged killer, 15-year-old alyssa bustamante, who has just been charged as an adult with first-degree murder. >> the fact that this juvenile didn't immediately call in and say there was an accident leads me to think that this was something way more nefarious than that. >> a 15-year-old girl is the murder suspect? not just murder, premeditated, malice, murder one, this was planned. >> bustamante now facing life in prison without parole for allegedly strangling and stabbing elizabeth olten.
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elizabeth's body found in a nearby wooded area. tie teen girl suspect's alleged myspace page lists hobbies as cutting and hurting people. the youtube page contains disturbing video showing the teen girl suspect giving herself shocks from an electrified fence on purpose. >> a police officer testified in court that bustamante confessed to killing elizabeth because she wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. >> she actually told the police that was her motive? she wanted to know what it felt like to kill somebody? also tonight, we are learning there is evidence that she lured the little girl, a little 9-year-old girl into the woods. that she had dug a shallow grave several days before in anticipation of murdering this little girl, elizabeth olten. you are seeing photos that have been obtained today.
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up until today, because the alleged perpetrator, a 15-year-old girl, a juvenile, we haven't been able to show you her face. well, here she is in all her splendor and glory. lad egan, news anchor at krcg. lad, what happened in court? >> first of all, 8:00 in the morning, there was a certification hearing. this hearing she came in shackled and in an orange jump suit and this hearing was to decide if she would be better served in the juvenile court system or as an adult. at the end of the hearing, the judge said she will be tried as an adult. she was immediately rearrested by the sheriffs there and taken and reprocessed. and a lot of bombshells came out in the court proceedings. one of those we learned is that the highway patrol investigator said that five days before the murder on a friday when school was out, she went out into the woods and dug two graves. five days then passed, the
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weekend. she went back to school for three days before the night of the alleged murder. also, we learned in court that the highway patrol investigator said that told the investigator she did the murder, she murdered elizabeth, the 9-year-old, because she wanted to know what it felt like. >> okay. motive, evidence out the ying-yang. of course, not that the state needs to prove motive. to you, ellie jostad. our chief editorial producer who's been on the story. three causes of death, ellie. one wasn't enough? >> right, nancy. in the indictment, she's charged with first-degree murder and an armed criminal action. in the indictment, they allege that she strangled, stabbed, and cut the little girl's throat. >> okay. rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story from the very, very beginning. rupa, what is the evidence
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suggesting that she lured, that she lured the little girl out to the goods to kill her and isn't it true that her family had been concerned that she spent so much time in the woods? >> that's right, nancy. we have heard from neighbors in the community close by that have observed, first of all, that the two girls, the 15-year-old and 9-year-old -- >> hold on. hold on, rupa. i just want you to know that you're seeing this video that this girl, charged with murder one of a little 9-year-old girl, this is video she herself posted on youtube or myspace showing -- electrocuting herself and her little brothers on an electric fence. nice. okay, rupa. >> the 15-year-old and 9-year-old, neighbors said that the 15-year-old alyssa bustamante is quite thin, quite small. there's no way, according to their observation, she could have dragged a dead body of a 9-year-old, which is maybe about 60 pounds, 300 or 400 yards into the woods where her body was found. so the theory is that the
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9-year-old, elizabeth olten, was lured by bustamante. >> to dr. howard oliver. dr. oliver, stabbed, strangled, throat cut. why? why three alleged causes of death? and can you tell which one was the actual cause of death? >> well, not all wounds are necessarily deadly. the autopsy will tell which one was deadly, maybe all three were deadly. but apparently she wasn't successful at killing the other child with one or two methods and had to revert to a third method to finish the little girl off. >> elizabeth olten, 8 years old, on her way home, broad daylight from a play date. turns out the play date's older sister is bustamante, the 15-year-old now charged in her brutal murder. up leash the lawyers. gloria allred, renee rockwell, alan ripka. there is a chance she can get out in six years once there's
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been a plea or a conviction in this case, the judge will then determine whether she will stay in juvenile or be treated as an adult in the adult penal system. it's called dual jurisdiction. what do you think about that? she could walk in six years. >> well, that's right, because if she is treated as a juvenile, then she can walk at age 21. and as an adult, she can get life in prison without the possibility of parole. and so my sense of it is that it's highly likely she will be treated as an adult. >> renee, alan, first to you, renee. let me guess, she's crazy, right? >> nancy, what else is there? there's got to be -- >> at least you're honest. what else is there? why do you say that, renee? what else is there? >> well, nancy -- >> because when there's absolutely nothing you can say, you say insanity. >> well, nancy, she's not going to be able to use anything else
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like provocation or some type of self-defense. but you have a situation now that she spilled the beans. she's talked about a grave, two graves, nancy, that she dug five days in advance. can you say premeditation? and the very fact that she's been certified to be tried as an adult, she's clearly facing the possibility that she will spend the rest of her life in jail. so what else is there? >> ripka, renee is right. you can get life without parole, even if you're a juvenile at the time you commit the offense. what is your defense, your best defense, alan ripka? i shutter to think who was going to be in that second grave she dug. >> what's going to happen here is that statement is going to be thrown out. that statement is going to be thrown out because the officers shouldn't have took it because she was a minor and as a result of having that statement they will not have corroborating evidence to get prosecution in this case. put him up.
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do you have any idea whether anybody was with her such as a guardian or lawyer at the time of the statement? you don't, do you? >> my assumption is there wasn't. >> that's a big fat no to me. >> assuming there was no guardian, and this officer improperly violated her rights. a special happy birthday to alabama friend of the show donnie mcclenney. at just 80 years young, she loves watching university of tennessee ball games and most of all spending time with her children and grandchildren. happy birthday, beautiful donnie.
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a horse-drawn carriage carries the remains of the 9-year-old girl hundreds spent two days searching for. the devastating ending to that search drew dozens back together. >> i have a 9-year-old daughter, i have a 4-year-old son. if one of my children had gone missing i would hope that the community would come out to help support me. >> among those waiting for elizabeth while holding pink balloons, the man who brought them. kerry bogg is with the business association that partners with elizabeth's school. >> the last, final sendoff for the young lady. >> as difficult as it is for
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those who knew or at least knew of elizabeth, it's equally hard for those who went to school with the 15-year-old girl accused of killing her and leaving her body in the woods near elizabeth's home. >> the school is in disarray. it's real quiet and the halls are kind of -- i mean, they're offering a lot of counseling for everybody to make sure if you need to talk to somebody, there's somebody there for you. it's just been really quiet. i've been there three years at that building and i've never seen it be that quiet in all three years. >> are you rolling? >> yes. >> okay. i'm going to grab this fence with my hand. ♪ oh my god. ah!
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>> yeah, that's what all normal 15-year-old girls do in their spare time, they shock themselves on an electric fence. on youtube, they post it on youtube, along with shocking their little brothers. that is video of youtube of bustamante shocking herself. i guess that's not going to come into evidence, defense attorneys. out to the lines. amy, pennsylvania. hi, amy. >> caller: hi, nancy. how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: i'm curious how we haven't heard any responsibility to the 15-year-old's parents. it seems to me there's attorneys hush hushing something because i have three teenage boys and if they get detention, i want to know what's going on in their life. >> good question. what do we know, ellie jostad, about her home situation? >> well, we don't know much about her parents. we do know, however, that her grandmother has been her legal guardian for at least about eight years, since 2001.
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>> hold on, ms. ellie. my grandmother, god rest her soul, helped raise me, too. so if anyone can casting aspersions on a grandmother being part of your upbringing, that's no good. but what about it, gloria, alan? do you think that's going to come up at trial, gloria? >> no, i don't think it's going to come up at trial. i think it's about her responsibility. that is the defendant's lack of responsibility or what she did and that's about it. >> ripka? >> i think i'm going to have the grandmother on the stand or a family member discussing what she's been like her entire life. >> unleash the lawyers. sue moss, renee rockwell, mickey sherman. there you go, renee, what are you going to do with that if that's your client? >> first of all, that's a statement you want to keep out, was she advised of her rights -- >> you don't need to scream that any louder. of course they don't want that in. >> but nancy, here's the
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problem. as well as an attorney could do to keep that out, you're not going to keep out a statement that she gave to her little girlfriend at a party where she said the exact same thing. >> go ahead, mickey, give it your best try. >> she's clearly psychotic. but no one's going to care about that because the crime she committed is so despicable. it brings back the memory of the thrill killings in the 1930s where they killed the neighbor just to watch him die. the problem is, this girl is crazy. she's on prozac. she's not on st. joseph's aspirin. >> hold on, hold on. sue moss, take a look at this video? liz, can you pull up the video of her on youtube? she's not crazy. she may be depressed. she may be suicidal. but that under the law isn't crazy. here she is with the wherewithal shocking herself and her brothers for one on an electric fence. all right? the other pictures we were showing of you is her with fake blood coming out of her mouth and the black makeup like a
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clown around her eyes, her fingers pointed to her own head as if she's going to kill herself. why, sue moss, when people threaten suicide, do they end up killing people in their family and their neighbors, why? >> oh, because this woman is evil. she's not trying to kill herself. she knows how to kill somebody. she knows how to stab. she knows how to strangle. she knows how to slit somebody's throat. she knows how to do the need if she really wanted to do it. >> you just reminded me of something. she told cops that she dug two graves five days before she lured a 9-year-old little girl to her death. that is premedication. >> there was going to be another. thank god they found her. >> out to the lines. suzy in california. hi, suzy. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just absolutely love you. i just want to say that i drop anything i'm doing at 5:00 northern california time to
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catch your show. i think you are fantastic. >> i don't deserve that but -- >> caller: you do. >> -- as i said last night, i'm going to play that back to the twins when they get old enough to talk back to me. >> caller: i am also a christian. >> me, too. >> caller: and i believe in discernment and i've never had it through the television, but let me say something, i'm supposed to ask a question, i think. >> yes. >> caller: is there any child at all in that body of this person? i think she is very much an adult, an evil adult. and, i mean, i get nothing but darkness from her through the television. >> i guess, mickey sherman, that's not who you want on your jury. >> not necessarily, because she obviously thinks this woman is crazy. >> she didn't say crazy.
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she said evil. there's a big difference between evil and crazy. >> i don't know if there's that far of a bridge to build, frankly. what she speaks of speaks of the insanity itself. it was an insane act that she committed. >> back to lad egan. what happens now? she's going to be treated as an adult. she was in court, pled not guilty. now what? >> well, she went back to a county jail but not the county where she was charged in. she had to go to a neighboring county because there's not room for her in the jail here. now, the judge has not ruled on that motion filed by her defense attorney to get her moved to a psychiatric hospital and the judge -- the defender said that this was an immediate need. however, it's been a week or so. >> better safe than sorry. i think she should be moved. judge, helicopter you're listening because i want to see her stand trial. back to the lawyers. ray giudice, joe lawless. ray, you know how juvenile bindovers work. the child, as they're called in the law, this is by no means a child. she's a 15-year-old, will be at a hearing tomorrow to determine
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whether she stays behind bars, which i predict she will. >> no, i agree. >> no judge is going to let a baby killer out from behind bars. but will she be treated as an adult? as an adult, she can get life without parole. >> let me tell you what i would be looking for if i were her counsel. i would gather every single medical record for this 15-year-old from the day she was born. >> there you go. >> wait a second. >> you never cease to amaze me. >> all of her school grades, give that judge every piece of information so that i could do everything i can, as her lawyer, not as the prosecutor, to keep her in the juvenile court. that's my job. >> hey, hey, guidice. just because you drag the word out does not make it anymore significant. so my question is, what do you hope her grades, her school grades are going to tell a judge? >> i want to look for a pattern
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of this child having psychological or inability to comprehend the seriousness of the crime. we don't know, a simple iq test could make it so this child, this 15-year-old girl does not have the sufficient competency to stand trial as an adult. it could be that simple, nancy. >> lawless? >> the only thing we know about this child is she's not living with her parents. she's living with other family members, which suggests a living season that could have impacts on her background. we don't know the nature of the crime, other than the fact he was a horrible, tragic killing. we know something about the child. >> put lawless up. put him up. i know this much. it's premeditated according to police. and according to our sources, it is from a diary. so this child that you're referring to that has all these mental problems, keeps a diary, a well-written diary with enough detail to clue cops in about what's happening. >> i want my niece home.
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she has a loving mother and father, two brothers and two sisters wondering where she is. it's been 24 hours. she's 9 years old. she's been gone for two nights now. please, anybody out there can help us, i mean, i want her back. i want my niece back. i want her safe.
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the search for 8-year-old elizabeth olten comes to and. her body found a wooded area just houses afwra her own home. cops finally close in on the murder suspect. no, not one of the dozens of registered sex offenders in the area. not a vagrant, an escapee, a parolee erks it is a 15-year-old girl. a 15-year-old girl charged with taking the life of a 9-year-old because she, quote, wanted to know how it felt to kill. >> new details emerge in the case of 9-year-old elizabeth olten who place say was stabbed
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and strangled by 15-year-old alyssa bustamente a. friend of the teen girl defendant claims bustamante once talked about what it would be like to kill someone. the friend said bustamante seemed like an ordinary girl but allegely talked about suicide frequently. >> i was at party and she took me off to the side randomly and she's like i wonder what it was like to kill somebody because i guess she was mad at frechbd there but it seems strange but you don't think a friend would kill somebody. >> authorities say she has a history of mental illness including mental health treatment for a suicide attempt two years ago. >> malice or premeditation can be formed in the snap of a finger, the blink of an eye. the time to raise a gun and full trigger tie highway patrol investigator said that five stays before the murder, on a friday when school was out, she went out into the woods and dug two graves. five days then passed. the weekend. she went back to school for three days before the night of
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the alleged murder. >> bustamante's attorney said the mental health of the 15-year-old is an issue asking a judge to place her in a psychiatric hospital after showing signs of depression and cutting herself since her arrest. >> she killed for sport and thrill. no remorse or guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. that will give me the fun. can't get out of normal teen activities. tonight, let's stop and remember army specialist robert hall jr., 30, pittsburgh, pennsylvania, killed iraq. lost his life one day after talking to his toddler girl. remembered as thoughtful, dedicated to family, loved video games, movies, time with his little girl. leaves behind grieving mom, brother steven, sisters tara, laurie, widow tracy and little girl rachel. robert hall jr., american hero. thank you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern.
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and until then, good night, friend.
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